Saturday, April 23, 2011

Misunderstanding Jesus's Execution

By the Rev. Howard Bess
April 23, 2011

Christians have special celebrations for the key events of Holy Week, but they often overlook one of the most important.

Read on.

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7 comments:

Anonymous said...

No such person as Jesus Christ which is a Greek name anyway.

No report of Jesus in Jewish History.

All a rehash of previous God nonsense from previous times.

Sat Apr 23, 12:56:00 PM 2011
Anonymous said...

This Anon seconds the first Anon.

Sat Apr 23, 04:54:00 PM 2011
Anonymous said...

Have you read the Gospel of Judas Iskarot, if not, the do it.
To me, that Goslpel alone is a gateway to the teatchings of Joshua Ben Joseph.
And the Crusifiction of him comes in under a differnet ligth, and a better understanding of the tru meaning of his resurection.

And regarding economics, intress is not alowwed in any Muslim country as for the early christians, its plain greed and therfor considered as Evil.
Joshua ben Joseph was a tru Capitalist, simply by the fact that Capitalism is about balance and harmony.

Sun Apr 24, 01:58:00 PM 2011
regionswork said...

Michael Hudson's historical analysis supports this. Check "It Shall Be a Jubilee Unto You" http://www.yesmagazine.org/issues/living-economies/532

That "debt is the road to serfdom" is a tenet of the Austrian school gets a broader understanding with this historical perspective.

Tennessee Ernie Ford's "16 Tons" is the executive summary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIfu2A0ezq0

Modern banking and finance collusion at the top engender fierce competition at the bottom where debt is taken on in the silly optimism of youth, the delusion that the home is a cash producing small business and eventually for short term survival. The outcome is to be a modern debt slave.

Americans love the money class, no matter how they got it. Recognizing it as a false temple requires earthly sense, not divine intervention. Behavioral economics suggests that the latter is more likely to be effective, since the debt trap can be easily disguised. Real will power is required.

Tue Apr 26, 10:54:00 AM 2011
Wootie Berster said...

Michael Hudson's article referred to by regionswork above is very interesting. Thank you for referring to it.

Sat Apr 30, 08:38:00 AM 2011
Mark M said...

I think the following unprovable assertions make for interesting food for thought.

Regards,
Mark M
Racine, WI, US(A)

The Koran, FWIW, says Christ was not crucified.

Chapter 22 of SETH SPEAKS by J Roberts, FWIW:

"Now, for your edification: Christ, the historical Christ, was not
crucified...You will have to give me time here. (Pause.)
"He had no intention of dying in that manner; but others felt that
to fulfill the prophecies in all ways, a crucifixion was a necessity.
"Christ did not take part in it. (Pause.) There was a conspiracy
in which Judas played a role, an attempt to make a martyr out of
Christ. The man chosen was drugged--hence the necessity of helping
him carry the cross (see Luke 23)--and he was told that he was
Christ.
"He believed that he was. He was one of those deluded [rather like a suicide
bomber of today?], but he
also himself believed that he, not the historical Christ, was to
fulfill the prophecies.
"Mary came because she was full of sorrow for the man who believed
he was her son. Out of compassion she was present. The group
responsible wanted it to appear that one particular portion of
the Jews had crucified Christ, and never dreamed that the whole
Jewish people would be 'blamed.'
"(Pause at 10:00.) This is difficult to explain, and even for me
to unravel....The tomb was empty because this same group carted the
body away. Mary Magdalene did see Christ, however, immediately
after (see Matthew 28). (Long pause.) Christ was a great psychic.
He caused the wounds to appear then upon his own body [the first stigmata?], and
appeared
both physically and in out-of-body states to his followers. He
tried, however, to explain what had happened, and his position, but
those who were not in on the conspiracy would not understand, and
misread his statements.
"Peter three times denied the Lord (Matthew 26), saying he did not
know him, because he recognized that the person was not Christ.
"The plea, 'Peter, why hast thou forsaken me?' came from the man
who believed he was Christ--the drugged version. Judas pointed out
that man. He knew of the conspiracy, and feared that the real
Christ would be captured. Therefore he handed over to the
authorities a man known to be a self-styled messiah--to save, not
destroy, the life of the historical Christ.

...

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sethquotes/message/1106

After that, Seth added some words that without the wounds, his followers would
not have believed he was himself.

He ate to prove he was alive, but they took that to mean the spirit could
partake of food.

And that they wanted to believe he had been crucifed and arisen. [Cognitive
dissonance?]

Also:

''He also told me that the man, Christ, was kidnapped by the Essenes. I
did not believe him. Nor at the time he told me did I know who Christ
was.''

--Seth talking about a first century life he had
SESSION 588, AUGUST 2, 1971, 9:01 P.M. MONDAY

Comment: So, MAYBE, this is "the group," along w/Judas, who gave to the
authorities a fake Christ and later took the body away after the
crucifixion?

Was Christ incommunicado for a long enough time that people
perhaps thought he'd been executed or crucified?

Did the fake Christ resemble the real one?

Some of Christ circle seemed to have had part of the story:

''Peter [a key figure in the early church] three times denied the Lord, saying
he did not
know him, because he recognized that the person was not Christ.''

''Mary came because she was full of sorrow for the man who believed
he was her son.''

And of course Judas.

If above is true, why were the followers so misunderstanding especially when
some of them had at least part of the story?

[Cognitive dissonance?]

Also, Seth claims that the fig-tree curser was not the same individual as the Sermon-on-the-Mount giver.

Sun May 01, 08:51:00 PM 2011
Anonymous said...

Very good article. It is important to note also that in the ancient world temples functioned as state central banks. There was a mint in the Jerusalem Temple; recent scholarship suggests that coins were minted there in the style of Tyrian silver Shekels, which were the only coins accepted in payment of the annual temple tax, even though they depicted the pagan god Melkart on the obverse and an eagle on the reverse, both clear violations of the prohibition against depicting living beings. The temple's wealth was also guarded by a two thousand man Jewish police force and a full cohort, 600 men, of the occupying Roman legion. Jesus' act was indeed a blow struck against the heart of the satte, its economic power.

Tue May 03, 03:37:00 PM 2011

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