Sunday, August 08, 2010

Pfc. Manning and the Value of Truth

By Ray McGovern
August 8, 2010

We are living in a liminal time, that is to say we live on the threshold. So much that we have taken for granted is passing.

Read on.

10 comments:

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Anonymous said...

What on Earth has happened to the USA the most Christian & yet violent country in the World killing people & polluting with Depleted Uranium etc ?

Crazy Christians & Jews crazy believers in th fairy stories in the Scriptures & the official 9/11 "commission" fairy tale.

G.W.Bush the Evangelical US President tried to sell the invasion of Iraq to the French President by quoting "Gog & MayGog" scriptures.

If G.W Bush believed in Iraq's WMD's he was ready to Bring on the Rapture.

America is one crazy super power.

Anonymous said...

These leaks are mostly old info plus some bogus tidbits, like about tracking the fictitious Bin Laden. Assange is a fictitious character like OBL created to influence public opinion, with CIA promoting both. Note WL is funded partly by Soros. In short, dupe the gullible left and keep this terrorism scam going.

rosemerry said...

I am sad that Ray McGovern joins the NYT criticism of Pakistan for pursuing its own interests. He knows the CIA financed and armed the Taliban against the USSR, that Pakistan's real enemy is India, that "W" forced Pakistan's cooperation in 2001. Why is the overdone fear of so-called terror attacks on the USA or Israel more important than any other thing in the whole world, now being destroyed by the US hegemony?

sidel.climbing said...

The major criticism I have heard from general media news and discussions is that the leaked documents contained identification of some informants and aids to US operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I can't understand why Manning released the whole set of documents - including sources - instead of just a few illustrative items/excerpts.

Clearly, some materials are classified because they are embarrassing, others because their release does injury to our troops and friends in the field.
Those materials must be separated and treated differently, even by one committed to publishing the truth to make us free.

Ethan Allen said...

First, I have long since grown tired of Ray McGovern's implied conversion to Progressive ideals and pretended righteous indignation. And, it seems to me that if he actually intends to evolve from his previous incarnation as a "CIA analyst" and professional dissembler, and aspires to a more responsible role of informing the public, he might consider actually following Pfc. Manning's courageous example; instead of merely hiding behind his spurious resume to create the impression of credibility.
For instance, Mr. McGovern could opine, from his own experience, about the tenure of Robert Gates and others at the CIA during the time when the Analytical Branch was politicized and corrupted.
Secondly, the replies to this article are ridiculous. Anyone that doesn't understand that the NSA apparatus is flagging any mention of WikiLeaks on every electronic media, is either woefully uninformed or just dumb. This subject is not about the mindlessness of religious zealotry. Mr. Assange is not a fictitious tool of an imagined conspiracy between George Soros and the CIA. The government of Pakistan, as well as that of North Korea, India, and Israel were provided with their weaponized nuclear capacity by the very hegemonic empiricists alluded to in comment #5. The current volatility in all of these societies is the result of these flawed "Cold War" policies, aggravated by centuries old tensions between dysfunctional theocratic rule and/or military dictatorship. Of course, the silly narrative that the U.S. and Israel are the good guys, and virtually everyone else is something less, is beyond ludacris; the only people in the world still swallowing this propagandistic snake oil are the unwitting puppets of extremist NeoLiberal or NeoConservative ideology. The innuendo in comment #6 saying.....
"I can't understand why Manning released the whole set of documents - including sources - instead of just a few illustrative items/excerpts."
... is disengenuous at best. Of course such an event is not understandable, it is a fiction; what Mr. McGovern might refer to as "disinformation". This would be easy enough to refute, all our "Anonymous" commenter has to do is cite one example, in what was actually released by Wikileaks for public consumption, that endangered any source or member of any military.

Ethan Allen said...

First, I have long since grown tired of Ray McGovern's implied conversion to Progressive ideals and pretended righteous indignation. And, it seems to me that if he actually intends to evolve from his previous incarnation as a "CIA analyst" and professional dissembler, and aspires to a more responsible role of informing the public, he might consider actually following Pfc. Manning's courageous example; instead of merely hiding behind his spurious resume to create the impression of credibility.
For instance, Mr. McGovern could opine, from his own experience, about the tenure of Robert Gates and others at the CIA during the time when the Analytical Branch was politicized and corrupted.
Secondly, the replies to this article are ridiculous. Anyone that doesn't understand that the NSA apparatus is flagging any mention of WikiLeaks on every electronic media, is either woefully uninformed or just dumb. This subject is not about the mindlessness of religious zealotry. Mr. Assange is not a fictitious tool of an imagined conspiracy between George Soros and the CIA. The government of Pakistan, as well as that of North Korea, India, and Israel were provided with their weaponized nuclear capacity by the very hegemonic empiricists alluded to in comment #5. The current volatility in all of these societies is the result of these flawed "Cold War" policies, aggravated by centuries old tensions between dysfunctional theocratic rule and/or military dictatorship. Of course, the silly narrative that the U.S. and Israel are the good guys, and virtually everyone else is something less, is beyond ludacris; the only people in the world still swallowing this propagandistic snake oil are the unwitting puppets of extremist NeoLiberal or NeoConservative ideology. The innuendo in comment #6 saying.....
"I can't understand why Manning released the whole set of documents - including sources - instead of just a few illustrative items/excerpts."
... is disengenuous at best. Of course such an event is not understandable, it is a fiction; what Mr. McGovern might refer to as "disinformation". This would be easy enough to refute, all our "Anonymous" commenter has to do is cite one example, in what was actually released by Wikileaks for public consumption, that endangered any source or member of any military.

Ethan Allen said...

First, I have long since grown tired of Ray McGovern's implied conversion to Progressive ideals and pretended righteous indignation. And, it seems to me that if he actually intends to evolve from his previous incarnation as a "CIA analyst" and professional dissembler, and aspires to a more responsible role of informing the public, he might consider actually following Pfc. Manning's courageous example; instead of merely hiding behind his spurious resume to create the impression of credibility.
For instance, Mr. McGovern could opine, from his own experience, about the tenure of Robert Gates and others at the CIA during the time when the Analytical Branch was politicized and corrupted.
Secondly, the replies to this article are ridiculous. Anyone that doesn't understand that the NSA apparatus is flagging any mention of WikiLeaks on every electronic media, is either woefully uninformed or just dumb. This subject is not about the mindlessness of religious zealotry. Mr. Assange is not a fictitious tool of an imagined conspiracy between George Soros and the CIA. The government of Pakistan, as well as that of North Korea, India, and Israel were provided with their weaponized nuclear capacity by the very hegemonic empiricists alluded to in comment #5. The current volatility in all of these societies is the result of these flawed "Cold War" policies, aggravated by centuries old tensions between dysfunctional theocratic rule and/or military dictatorship. Of course, the silly narrative that the U.S. and Israel are the good guys, and virtually everyone else is something less, is beyond ludacris; the only people in the world still swallowing this propagandistic snake oil are the unwitting puppets of extremist NeoLiberal or NeoConservative ideology. The innuendo in comment #6 saying.....
"I can't understand why Manning released the whole set of documents - including sources - instead of just a few illustrative items/excerpts."
... is disengenuous at best. Of course such an event is not understandable, it is a fiction; what Mr. McGovern might refer to as "disinformation". This would be easy enough to refute, all our "Anonymous" commenter has to do is cite one example, in what was actually released by Wikileaks for public consumption, that endangered any source or member of any military.

Ethan Allen said...

Robert,
I apologise for the inadvertent replicated posting. The site 'timed-out' and then I received a screen saying that it was not accessible. Actually, I returned to the topic this morning intending to submit a more civil comment, when I discovered that yesterday's somewhat angry remarks had been posted in triplicate.
Please delete all three!